If you visit Spain, should go to Alhambra (Granada)....and a little of history due to Calvin

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dunno if you guys know much about history, but you are looking at the remains of ancient carthage's empire (tunisia), which lost the punic wars vs rome, which is why spain became christian and not muslim, and had like the spanish inquisition etc. for a long time it was iberia tho, which was occupied by the moors/carthaginians/north africans. they came over the straights of Gibraltar (the entrance to the Mediterranean).
(Gibraltar is also a British Colony, which Spain is all pissed off at us about with Brexit happening)
(just if you are wondering why southern spain looks distinctively arabic)
(ie. those water gardens were very popular in africa, for obvious reasons)
(see the difference is we had the templar and that, da vinci, gallileao, equineus.. basically they tied science and religion together, science was the 'language' of god, which is why they had so many problems with the papacy; because effectively the builders knew physics, and compared to a priest... where in the middle east they had their guys just straight declare it heresy because they obey god rather than try to be like him)
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Yes mayor part of Spain was occuped during 8 centuries by islamic kingdoms....Catholic Kings unified christian kingdoms and finished the reconquest of the Iberian peninsula under the banner of the Catholic religion (they finished but the reconquest took centuries). Granada was the capital of last islamic Kingdom in Spain, and pacted the surrender with Catholic Kings to avoid the destruction of fortress-palace Alhambra and free pass to return to Africa. In South of Spain there are a lot of vestiges of the presence of islamic culture in Spain...Christians forces with the passing of the centuries got more organizated and united if we compare with the different islamic kingdoms that didn't help each other and got isolated from other islamic Kingdoms in Africa. Here a picture representing the surrender (25 november 1491) and delivery of the keys of the city (2 of January of 1492).

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(1492 - Sultan Boabdil gives the keys of Granada's city and the palace-Fortress Alhambra)

When Islamic force came from Africa conquest fast and easily the peninsula with very few opposition (711 to 726 after C.). They were also much more avanced in science and military if we compare with native forces. With time those differences disappeared and start appearing christian kingdoms, which got a little bit stronger in metallurgy slowly....heavy catholic armored cavalry start making differences in combat.....

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(christian cavalry warrior s. XIII)

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(721 after C. : Islamic occupation of Iberian peninsula)

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(1482: "Granada islamic Kindom" of sulan Boabdil, "Castilla y Leon" of Queen Isabel and "Aragon" of King Fernando)

The defeat of the last Granada islamic Kingdom took 10 year from 1482 to 1492....were not a continuous effort: it used to set a seasonal rhythm of campaigns started in spring and stopped in winter. A new mixed military formation of artillery and infantry equipped with combined weapons (pikes, spearguns, later arquebuses ...) was experimented in the Granada Wars, with less use of cavalry than in medieval wars, and with mercenary soldiers subjected to a discipline different from that of the code of honor of feudal vassalage, and not forgetting non-combatant contingents, sometimes very numerous: up to 30,000 "workers" in 1483, responsible for gathering or burning crops (to weak the enemy economy) and perform other tasks with tactical and strategic value.

This innovative and feared military unit was later known as "Tercios", that were used with excellent results in campaigns in europe and over the world.

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(the last Tercio - 1643 Rocroi (France))

Coinciding with the end of reconquest (1491), Catholic Kings finance and supported Colon's expediction (1492) that arrived unintentionally in America, the real objetive were to open a new rute to India a China supporting the theory that earth was a sphere and not plane. The politic to marry descendant of Catholic Kings with other heir of european Kingdoms were gradually increasing expansion of spanish kingdom which became a military potency base on strong maritime forces....and true Portugal and Spain were one under control of Felipe II. (Spain upon a time were an empire were sun never set off)

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(1492 Caravels: "Pinta", "Santa Clara" and "Santa Maria")

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(Real recreation (from background to front): "Pinta", "Santa Clara" and "Santa Maria")

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(1502 Alfonso de Ojeda expeditions in Venezuela)

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(1519 Hernan Cortes expeditions in Mexico)

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(1540) Recreation of Colorado's expedition

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(1540) Recreation of Colorado's expedition

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(biggest expansion of Iberian empire under King Felipe II)

Inquisition yeah Spain was built under a fervous catholic religion and were chasing all other religions. With Papasy the relation were sometimes good and other bad...but with Catholic Kings in general was excellent. The title of "Catholic King and Queen" was officially bestowed on Fernando and Isabel by Pope Alexander VI in 1494, in recognition of their defense of the Catholic faith within their realms.

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(1585 Empel's miracle in Holland)

Gibraltar is other history. the actual problem of Spain with the rock is that Gibraltar is a tax haven, and don't control narcotrafic and illegal cigarette traffic (is usual to see speedboat chase by spanish police boat getting refuge in the rock with no colaboration from Gibraltar)......so don't care at all the rock only problems that generate.

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(The last of Gibraltar - 1704 - Governor Diego de Salinas)
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americans can just go to mexico :P

i really like mexico cos it's Spanish culture mixed with the Native Americans

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Loved visiting Valencia and Santiago De Compostela; great food everywhere I went. Still love the manchego cheese; need to visit Spain again soon. It's been almost 10 years.
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kentares wrote: December 19th, 2020, 1:19 am Loved visiting Valencia and Santiago De Compostela; great food everywhere I went. Still love the manchego cheese; need to visit Spain again soon. It's been almost 10 years.
Spain has really wonderfull citys......Try next time: Toledo, Sevilla, Granada, San Sebastian, Barcelona, Cordoba, Madrid,....
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...and I just remembered A Coruña; beautiful city and great seafood oh and we had missed the big derailment by a few hours Santiago de Compostela derailment. :(
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