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fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: June 28th, 2021, 12:29 am
by Ciro
it's completely wrong to fix just a few things to be 'osi like', if we don't have other stuff 'osi like' to balance everything.
there is whole contex to be analyzed before 'patching' something.
for example, if you patch mana regeneration to be 'OSI like', then we need to have all other OSI stuff to balance that, like imbuing to give +2 mr /+8 lmc to each piece.
i'm just raise to raise that point as i think that osi comparison is all wrong if you just patch part of the shard.
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: June 28th, 2021, 1:07 pm
by Eos
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 am
it's completely wrong to fix just a few things to be 'osi like', if we don't have other stuff 'osi like' to balance everything.
there is whole contex to be analyzed before 'patching' something.
This is of course a valid and important point to consider whenever changes are made. However:
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 amfor example, if you patch mana regeneration to be 'OSI like', then we need to have all other OSI stuff to balance that, like imbuing to give +2 mr /+8 lmc to each piece.
Mana regeneration was changed to
Publish 46 (which was during Mondain's Legacy), before Imbuing was introduced. It was even before champion spawn artifacts were introduced.
Furthermore, there is actually little noticeable change to mana regeneration. This is because we also fixed a bug that caused mana regeneration to be slower than intended. While the old formula seemed faster (looking only at the numbers), in practice it ran slow and resulted in similar rates to the new formula. (See
this bug report.)
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: June 29th, 2021, 12:39 pm
by DG
Eos wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 1:07 pm
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 am
it's completely wrong to fix just a few things to be 'osi like', if we don't have other stuff 'osi like' to balance everything.
there is whole contex to be analyzed before 'patching' something.
This is of course a valid and important point to consider whenever changes are made. However:
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 amfor example, if you patch mana regeneration to be 'OSI like', then we need to have all other OSI stuff to balance that, like imbuing to give +2 mr /+8 lmc to each piece.
Mana regeneration was changed to
Publish 46 (which was during Mondain's Legacy), before Imbuing was introduced. It was even before champion spawn artifacts were introduced.
Furthermore, there is actually little noticeable change to mana regeneration. This is because we also fixed a bug that caused mana regeneration to be slower than intended. While the old formula seemed faster (looking only at the numbers), in practice it ran slow and resulted in similar rates to the new formula. (See
this bug report.)
So the actual MR speed doesn't change,or a bit slower?
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: August 8th, 2021, 1:05 am
by DG
@Eos Would you plz review the mana regeneration codes?
I just got time to test it. The difference seems huge,especially in duels. It should be little noticeable?
tks in advance.
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: September 19th, 2021, 8:36 pm
by 3dot
Eos wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 1:07 pm
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 am
it's completely wrong to fix just a few things to be 'osi like', if we don't have other stuff 'osi like' to balance everything.
there is whole contex to be analyzed before 'patching' something.
This is of course a valid and important point to consider whenever changes are made. However:
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 amfor example, if you patch mana regeneration to be 'OSI like', then we need to have all other OSI stuff to balance that, like imbuing to give +2 mr /+8 lmc to each piece.
Mana regeneration was changed to
Publish 46 (which was during Mondain's Legacy), before Imbuing was introduced. It was even before champion spawn artifacts were introduced.
Furthermore, there is actually little noticeable change to mana regeneration. This is because we also fixed a bug that caused mana regeneration to be slower than intended. While the old formula seemed faster (looking only at the numbers), in practice it ran slow and resulted in similar rates to the new formula. (See
this bug report.)
Other important point to consider is Hit Leeches are bugged too...
Warrior template can do perfect weapons, specially archers, they just need to farm kit in heartwood everyday til do best yumi or best bow or best composite...
Differently, mage cant use this... Mage needs to farm ability. HOW to farm this? Dieing AND checking THAT U DONT HAVE MANA TO KILL ONE PLAYER... hehe
If u dont want to fix Hit Leeches for all, it should be fixed in felluca as Cast...
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: October 8th, 2021, 9:55 am
by Loler
Eos wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 1:07 pm
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 am
it's completely wrong to fix just a few things to be 'osi like', if we don't have other stuff 'osi like' to balance everything.
there is whole contex to be analyzed before 'patching' something.
This is of course a valid and important point to consider whenever changes are made. However:
Ciro wrote: ↑June 28th, 2021, 12:29 amfor example, if you patch mana regeneration to be 'OSI like', then we need to have all other OSI stuff to balance that, like imbuing to give +2 mr /+8 lmc to each piece.
Mana regeneration was changed to
Publish 46 (which was during Mondain's Legacy), before Imbuing was introduced. It was even before champion spawn artifacts were introduced.
Furthermore, there is actually little noticeable change to mana regeneration. This is because we also fixed a bug that caused mana regeneration to be slower than intended. While the old formula seemed faster (looking only at the numbers), in practice it ran slow and resulted in similar rates to the new formula. (See
this bug report.)
very little difference. that was funny.
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: October 8th, 2021, 9:58 am
by Loler
120 med
18 mr
150 int
20 focus
current demise
2.71 mana per second.
Assuming you actually tried to duplicate osi rates
120 med
16 mr
150 int
20 focus
old demise
4 mana per second
But i guess when you dont play the game...
Re: fixing somethings 'osi like' is wrong
Posted: November 8th, 2021, 10:25 am
by Dysis
Loler wrote: ↑October 8th, 2021, 9:58 am
120 med
18 mr
150 int
20 focus
current demise
2.71 mana per second.
Assuming you actually tried to duplicate osi rates
120 med
16 mr
150 int
20 focus
old demise
4 mana per second
But i guess when you dont play the game...
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