A thread not about casting

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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by The Silvertiger » June 14th, 2019, 12:09 am

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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Bama » June 14th, 2019, 12:12 am

The Silvertiger wrote:Good to see you anyway.
I came back for the "Airing Of The Grievances"

I have a few more and I will be gone again

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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by marm » June 14th, 2019, 1:04 am

GO AUBURN!

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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by The Silvertiger » June 14th, 2019, 1:40 am

marm wrote:GO DAWGS!
Yes!
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Bama » June 14th, 2019, 1:47 am

The Silvertiger wrote:GO DAWGS!
You and those mutts..........


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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Eos » June 14th, 2019, 11:47 am

Loler wrote:Dg nailed it. But there's more wrong with the casting then just that. Delayed spell damage is still off. Overcasting penalty is still to aggressive. (Time to cast after finishing a spell is to long)
The delayed spell damage is indeed a little off. We are planning some timing changes that should go in effect next server wars to fix this.

Some technical details about this:

We designed the delayed damage to run in the same 250ms timer priority as spell casting. When we said this causes a 0-250ms random additional delay, this wasn't entirely accurate. Of course, if you target your spell immediately, you will effectively have just missed a 250ms server timer tick (the one that completed your spell cast), and your damage will take exactly 1.25 seconds to go off. If you wait a random period of time after your spell is cast, your damage will go off randomly 1-1.25 seconds after targeting. This is how it is on OSI, and how in theory it should work on Demise right now.

However, when performing some tests on Demise for this response to verify everything is working as intended, we noticed the delayed damage after targeting immediately after spell cast is much more random than it should be. On average, the timing is only slightly slower, but we are seeing a large 250ms spread on the values when they should be very consistent.

The fix will be a new way of processing the 250ms timer priority on the server with more accuracy, which in our initial tests has shown results perfectly in line with OSI.

(As for overcasting, it seems our delay is correct, though we will perform further tests on this as well.)
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Chivalry still has a 250ms delay between spells when you have 6 FCR equipped, so Chivalry cannot go into overcasting. (Much like Magery with 5 FCR equipped.) This is the case on OSI as well. Holding down a Chivalry spell button I cannot seem to trigger overcasting with 6 FCR there. It would require 7 FCR.
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Archers do need to stop moving to shoot normally. Our 500ms delay seems accurate, though brief testing on OSI shows the value to be more random and sometimes higher (perhaps similar to spell casting). We will need to look into this!

And just to make sure, we tested Moving Shot, and it definitely does not require you to stop moving on OSI (as one would expect). :)
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by royal kapero2 » June 14th, 2019, 12:57 pm

Amazing that you were able to find those in all this spam. You deserve respect for reading everything!
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Josh » June 14th, 2019, 4:00 pm

Thanks for the update eos

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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Loler » June 14th, 2019, 7:33 pm

Just used this macro starting the pause line at 25 then raising by 25 every 10 attempts till i got to 250

I got interrupted casting gheal every time. The way you said you wrote the delay it should have worked at one of the intervals but never worked at any.

cast 'magic arrow'
waitfortarget 1500
pause 250
target! self
cast 'greater heal'

The same exact macro on OSI will work 100x out of 100.
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Eos » June 14th, 2019, 8:25 pm

Loler wrote:Just used this macro starting the pause line at 25 then raising by 25 every 10 attempts till i got to 250

I got interrupted casting gheal every time. The way you said you wrote the delay it should have worked at one of the intervals but never worked at any.

cast 'magic arrow'
waitfortarget 1500
pause 250
target! self
cast 'greater heal'


The same exact macro on OSI will work 100x out of 100.
That is an interesting find. Regardless of the delay in your macro, you are targeting yourself with a magic arrow and casting a spell right after with the same delay on both the damage and spell cast. Since you target the damage first, it will tick first on Demise, and disrupt yourself right before your spell completes casting. This behavior makes sense.

You are right, however, that on OSI the spell will cast fine. Perhaps spell disruption checks if the spell is done casting, even if it hasn't ticked yet. This will not be fixed by the update planned for tonight as designed currently, but we will look into it.
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by The Silvertiger » June 14th, 2019, 8:43 pm

Eos wrote:
Loler wrote:Just used this macro starting the pause line at 25 then raising by 25 every 10 attempts till i got to 250

I got interrupted casting gheal every time. The way you said you wrote the delay it should have worked at one of the intervals but never worked at any.

cast 'magic arrow'
waitfortarget 1500
pause 250
target! self
cast 'greater heal'


The same exact macro on OSI will work 100x out of 100.
That is an interesting find. Regardless of the delay in your macro, you are targeting yourself with a magic arrow and casting a spell right after with the same delay on both the damage and spell cast. Since you target the damage first, it will tick first on Demise, and disrupt yourself right before your spell completes casting. This behavior makes sense.

You are right, however, that on OSI the spell will cast fine. Perhaps spell disruption checks if the spell is done casting, even if it hasn't ticked yet. This will not be fixed by the update planned for tonight as designed currently, but we will look into it.
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Loler » June 14th, 2019, 9:54 pm

Yeah I posted similar information in the bug section with video proof of both but it makes sense to answer it in a general discussion thread months later.

https://www.uogdemise.com/community/vie ... 14&t=29049
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by royal kapero2 » June 14th, 2019, 10:06 pm

It's been almost a year. :smile:


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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by The Silvertiger » June 14th, 2019, 11:25 pm

Loler wrote:Yeah I posted similar information in the bug section with video proof of both but it makes sense to answer it in a general discussion thread months later.

https://www.uogdemise.com/community/vie ... 14&t=29049
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Re: A thread not about casting

Post by Josh » June 14th, 2019, 11:46 pm

Loler wrote:Yeah I posted similar information in the bug section with video proof of both but it makes sense to answer it in a general discussion thread months later.

https://www.uogdemise.com/community/vie ... 14&t=29049
I think you posted it when eos was on her vacation. The other staff can’t be bothered to interact with the community sooo :(

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